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Re: Boot or Original : Post original/bootleg PCB photos here.

Post by tomiii » April 27th, 2017, 2:14 pm

Hi Guys, i got 6 PCBs : Hyper Sports, Gals Panic1 , Gals Panic2 , Psychic5 , Tetris, Tutankham.
Hyper Sports and Gals Panic2 looks original to me (with serial nr and brand)
Tetris is 100% a bootleg.
Dont know about Gals Panic 1,Psychic5 and Tutankham. (i think bootleg)

Gals Panic 1
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Psychic 5
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Tutankham
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Post by mastercello » April 27th, 2017, 7:27 pm

Y es.... 3 bootlegs, but you got the names the wrong way for nr. 2 & 3, They are The other way round.

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Post by Karnickel » June 24th, 2017, 3:51 pm

Hi Guys
I've recently purchased a Crazy Taxi Cartridge, but it looks pretty weird compared to all my other Naomi games. It has some sort of an extra pcb stuck on the main game board. Also some chips are sanded.
I don't have a driver cab at he moment but it looks good on my standard universal cab. The only odd thing i've noticed is, when i press the 2p start button a "debug" menu comes up which i can control with the 2p joystick. Can't find anything about that in the original manual.
Here are some pics i took from the game. http://imgur.com/a/0kROD
What do you guys think? Bootleg or something else?

Thanks

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Post by nem » June 24th, 2017, 4:36 pm

Bootleg.
Karnickel wrote:The only odd thing i've noticed is, when i press the 2p start button a "debug" menu comes up which i can control with the 2p joystick. Can't find anything about that in the original manual.
That's normal. The original cart behaves the same way. The menu is for debugging, so it's not mentioned in the user manual.

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Post by leonardoliveira » June 24th, 2017, 4:46 pm

nem forgot to mention, that Crazy taxi is a bootleg. He mentioned that the original does the debug thing, too. Edit:(ops I saw the *bootleg* after posting this. :lol: )

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Post by Karnickel » June 24th, 2017, 4:58 pm

Thanks for the fast answer. Didn't know there are other bootlegs besides the well known Ikaruga. Still an interesting piece in my collection.

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Post by leonardoliveira » June 24th, 2017, 5:12 pm

Karnickel wrote:Thanks for the fast answer. Didn't know there are other bootlegs besides the well known Ikaruga. Still an interesting piece in my collection.
Sanded chips (usually these are ALTERA or XILINX FPGAs or CPLDs) and boards without the original board manufacturer logo are dead giveaway of a bootleg board.

It's not uncommon that original boards have flash chips on them but mostly the flashes hold program code, not data. Data that is never supposed to change (graphics and sound) is cheaper to store on maskrom ICs. So in the case of NAOMI carts you have a lot of SMD ROMS with the "SEGA" logo in them and a EPROM or flash which contains the "meat" of the game program, which can be updated in case of a bug is found within the game. That's the main practical reason for having FLASH or EPROM on original game carts.

The MX chips on your cart (Macronix) are of flash/eeprom variety.
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Post by ElHuron » August 14th, 2017, 10:39 am

Hi every one,

I recently bought this Street Fighter EX2 Plus. I suppose this is a Bootleg but I want to have your opinion :

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Maskrom printed like orignal, UVprom's stickers look weird

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Qsound and CPSB2 are not Capcom printed

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Never seen this romboard number before


X2PA-04 CRC : 6179F937 (Unknow in romcenter)
X2P-01M CRC : 5EA82500 (Unknow too)
X2PA-02 and X2PA-03 are same CRC as the original. I cant read the others with my programmer because it's 64Mb rom.

ROM Check :
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Nevertheless the game run perfectly, no glitch, no différence with the original. Secrets caracters are unlocked.

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Post by nem » August 14th, 2017, 1:16 pm

My JPN region board looks like this:
sfex2pj.jpg
The mask roms you have on your board are genuine, so at least that part is legit. Honestly, it doesn't look that different. Slightly poorer quality stickers and a different rom board number. A later revision? A conversion? (Capcom aren't exactly unknown for doing their own factory conversions)

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Post by ElHuron » August 17th, 2017, 11:20 am

Thanks for your reply,

I noticed PAL MEMDEC and BANK03 don't have the right label, And connector soldered to the motherboard are poor quality.

This romboard is a real oddity for me.

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About Rastan Saga pcb original or bootleg...

Post by Dhampird » September 20th, 2017, 2:30 pm

Hello, i´m looking for an original Rastan Saga pcb jamma, but i dont know whichs boards are the original or bootleg, i mean all pictures related to Rasta Saga pcb (the Japanese version with the game intro, and logo displayed on screen like Rastan Saga) that i found seems be bootlegs:
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Only i found the Rastan pcb original, but seems those boards are not Rastan Saga (Japanese) version, i mean no intro once you begin a game, and no Rasta Saga logo
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Then, the Rastan Saga boards are not originals, only are bootlegs? If anyone have Rastan Saga (Japanese) version original please post a picture.

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Re: About Rastan Saga pcb original or bootleg...

Post by Asure » September 20th, 2017, 2:42 pm

The japanese version is called "Rastan Saga".
The international version is called "Rastan".

Looking at the M.A.M.E. driver the board can be romswapped to a different region by changing some of the maincpu roms.

A search for the game's title in Japanese yields a few results. But finding a Japanese title in EU/World region is difficult.
http://www.suruga-ya.jp/product/detail/180000265001

It's the reason Japanese versions are more expensive in the EU: Purists prefer the one they played (You probably played a Rastan Saga bootleg in the arcade..)

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WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by snk80 » October 1st, 2017, 9:16 am

hi guys.
i'm trading a wonderboy 1.
i know there are many boot
can someone post an original wonderboy board ?
regards

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Post by yosai » October 1st, 2017, 10:32 am

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I believe this is an original board.

Also, see https://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=3172

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Re: WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by snk80 » October 1st, 2017, 11:56 am

thanks for the moment..
anyway label i thin are not original .. or not ?

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Re: WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by yosai » October 1st, 2017, 12:02 pm

On that PCB? Definitely not original.

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Re: WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by snk80 » October 1st, 2017, 12:05 pm

ah ok..
so you say... pcb legit but not label.. understood .. i think the same.. i saw also some with a little board on top

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Re: WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by Flinnster » October 1st, 2017, 12:10 pm

Yep there are originals with daughterboards I think. I saw one with nasty repairs on it.
There is an original board that has two sets of dip switches at the top left corner, not directly in line with the edge connector as the one above.

There are also bootlegs with daughterboards too, helpfully. So quite a few varients of both the original and bootlegs for Wonderboy :(
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Re: WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by pubjoe » October 1st, 2017, 12:19 pm

I had one that I always thought was original until I came to sell it.

An ebay user messaged me to say it was a conversion based on it having a small resoldered spot and hand written labels. He said if I tested it there would be a bug making it impossible to pass the 4th boss. I tried this out but it played fine to world 5.

Beyond knowing it's an original Sega board, is it possible to know for sure if it's a conversion, or an unofficial one?

So in answer to your question, I don't know.

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Re: WONDERBOY ORIGINAL

Post by snk80 » October 1st, 2017, 12:22 pm

damn
this is board is so difficult to find original ? :(

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