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Cave's weakest title?

Post by kernow » September 11th, 2010, 10:24 pm

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So,

I am prepared for the omg none they're all fantastic nerdgushes that are going to go down, but excluding DS2, what's your least favourite and weakest title in your opinion?

It'd be hard for me but at present erm, out of what I've played and owned I'd have to said ESP.ra.de, its not bad at all, just bleh, owned it 3 times, first was DOA so went back, sold it the 2nd time to get something else, probably a failed ketsui mission or something, missed it a bit and got it again - sold it and didn't miss it.

Its alright but the flickeryness as cools mentioned gives a rough feel to the game, the graphics remind me of batriders style for some reason which I've grown to enjoy, and erm, the cutscene art is nice. I dunno, just never want to own it again really.

Anyone who says ketsui is their best is smoking crack too, I don't know why, its a great game, but I am sure theres better, pre-rendered bosses ... hmmmmehh
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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by yosai » September 11th, 2010, 10:31 pm

Out of the ones I've played it's EspGaluda hands down. I wouldn't say it was a crap game just doesn't do anything for me.

It doesn't play like a Cave game what with the four buttons set up and the bullet time. Plus the music is dire.

My order of preference would look something like this.

Ketsui
DoDonPachi DaiOuJou
MushihimeSama
Guwange
Progear No Arashi
DoDonpachi
Dangun Feveron
Esp.Ra.De
Ibara
DoDonpachi Daifukkatsu
MushihimeSama Futari
Donpachi
EspGaluda

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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by thechop » September 11th, 2010, 10:37 pm

I just for the life of me can't 'get' Pink Sweets,i'm not sure what i gotta do to make it more interesting :think:
(play it solely might be a good idea though as scoring system clashes don't help with playing more than one Cave title in the same week :think: )
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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by cools » September 11th, 2010, 10:38 pm

I found DonPachi pretty uninteresting. Guwange and DOJ are my least favourite that I've played though - yes they look nice and sound good but the chaining is just not fun.

(Pink Sweets is brilliant, Chop hasn't seen the light yet)
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Post by kernow » September 11th, 2010, 10:42 pm

Chaining is just not fun, damn straight, it's a pity DOJ relies so damn heavily on it for score.
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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by yosai » September 11th, 2010, 10:43 pm

cools wrote:Guwange and DOJ are my least favourite that I've played though - yes they look nice and sound good but the chaining is just not fun.
kernow wrote:Chaining is just not fun, damn straight, it's a pity DOJ relies so damn heavily on it for score.
The chaining in DOJ is extremely hard and unforgiving but it's the sheer difficulty I like. As soon as something becomes easy my interest wanes. Still no good at it though. :awe:

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Post by thechop » September 11th, 2010, 10:47 pm

cools wrote:I found DonPachi pretty uninteresting. Guwange and DOJ are my least favourite that I've played though - yes they look nice and sound good but the chaining is just not fun.

(Pink Sweets is brilliant, Chop hasn't seen the light yet)
Haha yeah i remember asking you what it was all about when i got it from you, just don't think i've given it enough time on its own, but Muchi Muchi Pork's kidnapped me bigtime and held me hostage, still ain't cracked 40 mill tho :cry:
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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by thechop » September 11th, 2010, 10:54 pm

cools wrote:I found DonPachi pretty uninteresting. Guwange and DOJ are my least favourite that I've played though - yes they look nice and sound good but the chaining is just not fun.
Have to agree on Guwange, looks fantastic (best looking game imo)but unless you got the eyes of a Chameleon, your never gonna master it :lol:
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Post by skykid » September 11th, 2010, 11:07 pm

yosai wrote: Ketsui
DoDonPachi DaiOuJou
MushihimeSama
Guwange
Progear No Arashi
DoDonpachi
Dangun Feveron
Esp.Ra.De
Ibara
DoDonpachi Daifukkatsu
MushihimeSama Futari
Donpachi
EspGaluda
The obvious omission on this list chimes in with my controversial choice of weakest Cave game nicely: Deathsmiles.

It's a very good game, definitely, no doubt about it, but I actually find it too lightweight in a number of departments. The differing stage lengths makes for a uncomfortably paced game and it's just a little too cluttered for my liking: 3 stage unnecessary ranks, 5 unbalanced characters featuring awkward options, and one of the wooliest scoring systems Cave have ever designed doesn't sit well with me. It's the only Cave game I threw hours and hours into waiting for it to click, and it just never did.
At best, it's a nice game for beginners, but the scoring system should have been better ironed out and it just doesn't offer up the same kind of rush as everything else in their catalogue. Ice Palace on MBL is how the whole game should have been, and it rings frustratingly true every time I go back to it.

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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by yosai » September 11th, 2010, 11:13 pm

kernow wrote:Anyone who says ketsui is their best is smoking crack too.]
The first four levels of Ketsui are sublime, granted it's not perfect (pre rendered ****) but there are lots of great set pieces and enemy attack patterns that it's a joy to play.

The risk/reward scoring system is great fun and the music.... Image

The third level of Ibara is also amazing, almost worth picking the game up again... :think:

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Post by kernow » September 11th, 2010, 11:16 pm

Yeah I love ketsuis aesthetics apart from the pre rendered bosses that seem to really stick out, but the rest, bgs etc and most other sprite art is great. Ibara level 3 is amazing too and I have no complaints about the graphics, everything is ultra detailed.
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Post by skykid » September 11th, 2010, 11:21 pm

Ketsui would be king among kings if DDP DOJ didn't exist. I think Cave hit their absolute peak with those two titles.
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Post by kernow » September 11th, 2010, 11:24 pm

PGM was a good era.
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Post by CPS2 » September 11th, 2010, 11:26 pm

All of them, execpt MUSHIHIMESAMA Futari......

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Post by kernow » September 11th, 2010, 11:28 pm

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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by cRacKh0rN » September 11th, 2010, 11:39 pm

cools wrote:I found DonPachi pretty uninteresting. Guwange and DOJ are my least favourite that I've played though - yes they look nice and sound good but the chaining is just not fun.

(Pink Sweets is brilliant, Chop hasn't seen the light yet)
Actually I forgot all about Guwange and Donpachi but DOJ as worst? :think:
I have yet to play Muchi or PS so for me from worst excluding DSII:-

Guwange
Donpachi
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Post by kernow » September 11th, 2010, 11:44 pm

Donpachis good , just old really.

Galuda2, man that game is so pretty and nuts.
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Post by thegreathopper » September 11th, 2010, 11:49 pm

I found Dangun not much fun at all and would be my least favorite Cave game.

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Post by cRacKh0rN » September 11th, 2010, 11:53 pm

kernow wrote:Donpachis good , just old really.

Galuda2, man that game is so pretty and nuts.
Galuda 2 < Galuda for me. Maybe I should give it more of a chance. :think:

As for the others (best to worst):-

Ibara :awe:
Futari 1.5
Progear
All the others for different reasons here :)

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Re: Cave's weakest title?

Post by LoRez » September 11th, 2010, 11:57 pm

Galuda 2 < Galuda for me. Maybe I should give it more of a chance. :think:
You should,it's :awe: just much,much more difficult than Galuda.Having said that,I prefer the simplicity of the first one :)

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